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	<title>Comments on: Flashback: Libertarians Vs. Bob Barr</title>
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	<description>New York Politics from a Libertarian Perspective</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-4042</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ron crickenberger was amazing to watch during a state convention in georgia that i attended. he was surreal, larger than himself, when he spoke. he didn't need a microphone. he had a presence. his voice and passion filled the room.

i also worked with him on the 2002 campaign to remove bob barr from office as the webmaster. he had a very hands off leadership and was really easy to work with him.

ron crickenberger was a true loss. he was so successful that he made our enemy our friend. that is true power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ron crickenberger was amazing to watch during a state convention in georgia that i attended. he was surreal, larger than himself, when he spoke. he didn&#8217;t need a microphone. he had a presence. his voice and passion filled the room.</p>
<p>i also worked with him on the 2002 campaign to remove bob barr from office as the webmaster. he had a very hands off leadership and was really easy to work with him.</p>
<p>ron crickenberger was a true loss. he was so successful that he made our enemy our friend. that is true power.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Morton</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3790</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with Mr. Blumel.  The greatest opportunity we have for expressing the ideals of non-aggression, respect for individual rights, peace, freedom and equal justice under the rule of law and having them heard by a large audience, is to continue to support the revolution begun by the Ron Paul campaign.  It is most probable that Ron Paul will not be the next president, but imagine the message it would send to "them" if we pooled our voting resources, quit voting for parties or the lesser of two evils and got over 20% of the popular vote for Ron Paul.  If the election is split between too many participants the status quo will reign and the momentum we've gained will be diminished.  On a side note, I believe the message we send with our vote is more important than who wins the election.  That said, I believe the message for this election should be, "You guys in power have done an exceptionally poor job for a long, long time.  You've had your chance and you blew it.  Collect your belongings.  You're dismissed and, please don't make us call security."  This election cycle, let's clean house.  If they're in, let's vote 'em out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with Mr. Blumel.  The greatest opportunity we have for expressing the ideals of non-aggression, respect for individual rights, peace, freedom and equal justice under the rule of law and having them heard by a large audience, is to continue to support the revolution begun by the Ron Paul campaign.  It is most probable that Ron Paul will not be the next president, but imagine the message it would send to &#8220;them&#8221; if we pooled our voting resources, quit voting for parties or the lesser of two evils and got over 20% of the popular vote for Ron Paul.  If the election is split between too many participants the status quo will reign and the momentum we&#8217;ve gained will be diminished.  On a side note, I believe the message we send with our vote is more important than who wins the election.  That said, I believe the message for this election should be, &#8220;You guys in power have done an exceptionally poor job for a long, long time.  You&#8217;ve had your chance and you blew it.  Collect your belongings.  You&#8217;re dismissed and, please don&#8217;t make us call security.&#8221;  This election cycle, let&#8217;s clean house.  If they&#8217;re in, let&#8217;s vote &#8216;em out.</p>
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		<title>By: EEE555</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3777</link>
		<dc:creator>EEE555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you don’t stick strictly to party lines, you get the shaft?"

uhhh.... yeah, if the party lines consist of nonviolent libertarianism and you're not sticking to them to the extent of initiating force against a nonviolent drug user... 

then yeah...   you deserve "the shaft"


Now if his change of heart is sincere, then it's a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you don’t stick strictly to party lines, you get the shaft?&#8221;</p>
<p>uhhh&#8230;. yeah, if the party lines consist of nonviolent libertarianism and you&#8217;re not sticking to them to the extent of initiating force against a nonviolent drug user&#8230; </p>
<p>then yeah&#8230;   you deserve &#8220;the shaft&#8221;</p>
<p>Now if his change of heart is sincere, then it&#8217;s a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Burke</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3767</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earn the support? You know, that's why I left the Republican party. If you don't stick strictly to party lines, you get the shaft? If all the parties act like that I just won't vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earn the support? You know, that&#8217;s why I left the Republican party. If you don&#8217;t stick strictly to party lines, you get the shaft? If all the parties act like that I just won&#8217;t vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Craig</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3762</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip
 One proplem some states need high vote totals for ballot access.Without a presidential candidate some states will not get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip<br />
 One proplem some states need high vote totals for ballot access.Without a presidential candidate some states will not get that.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Blumel</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3761</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Blumel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe libertarians made their 2008 presidential stand (and their best ever) with the primary campaign of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). For this reason, we do not need to focus our sweat and treasure on an unwinnable general election for president. Former Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) will not be permitted in the debates and will not make a blip on the political radar screen and will squander the energy generated by the Paul campaign. Let's concentrate on getting libertarians elected to public and party offices in the state's where we live and move the revolution forward. See www.rlcfl.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe libertarians made their 2008 presidential stand (and their best ever) with the primary campaign of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). For this reason, we do not need to focus our sweat and treasure on an unwinnable general election for president. Former Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) will not be permitted in the debates and will not make a blip on the political radar screen and will squander the energy generated by the Paul campaign. Let&#8217;s concentrate on getting libertarians elected to public and party offices in the state&#8217;s where we live and move the revolution forward. See <a href="http://www.rlcfl.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.rlcfl.org</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill St. Clair</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3760</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill St. Clair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always respected Bob Barr as a champion of liberty, except for his one killer property, support of the war on some drug users. I haven't heard him talk enough about his realization of the error of his ways to know whether he can be trusted in that regard.

My experience has taught me that I need to avoid recreational drug use, especially of tobacco and alcohol. But any kind of government regulation or prohibition makes the problem worse. People have to get there on their own. And some don't need complete abstinence. Only you can decide for yourself what works for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always respected Bob Barr as a champion of liberty, except for his one killer property, support of the war on some drug users. I haven&#8217;t heard him talk enough about his realization of the error of his ways to know whether he can be trusted in that regard.</p>
<p>My experience has taught me that I need to avoid recreational drug use, especially of tobacco and alcohol. But any kind of government regulation or prohibition makes the problem worse. People have to get there on their own. And some don&#8217;t need complete abstinence. Only you can decide for yourself what works for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Craig</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3755</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the Link I will return it tomorrow.
BTW the first Libertarian meeting I ever went to in Atlanta was one where Ron Crickenberger was  the chairman of back in Atlanta in the 1990's. A lot of the old timers still talk about him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the Link I will return it tomorrow.<br />
BTW the first Libertarian meeting I ever went to in Atlanta was one where Ron Crickenberger was  the chairman of back in Atlanta in the 1990&#8217;s. A lot of the old timers still talk about him</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Prophet</title>
		<link>http://serfcity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/flashback-libertarians-vs-bob-barr/#comment-3749</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.... Clearly libertarian? Like siphoning enough votes to allow state socialist Barack Obama to win for sure?  Like giving the impression you want drugs to flow freely on the street, which is all people can see when you champion and end to the war on drugs? When will libertarians ever learn? See:
http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;. Clearly libertarian? Like siphoning enough votes to allow state socialist Barack Obama to win for sure?  Like giving the impression you want drugs to flow freely on the street, which is all people can see when you champion and end to the war on drugs? When will libertarians ever learn? See:<br />
<a href="http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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